tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post115490170221127797..comments2024-03-04T03:40:11.172-05:00Comments on No rules. Just write.: Are you smart enough to write romance?Brenda Coulterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155648953544948442006-08-15T09:35:00.000-04:002006-08-15T09:35:00.000-04:00That's it exactly, Riccarla. We read romance novel...That's it exactly, Riccarla. We read romance novels to experience the journey.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155615875825258222006-08-15T00:24:00.000-04:002006-08-15T00:24:00.000-04:00I remember a discussion online years ago that was ...I remember a discussion online years ago that was similiar to the football analogy. Someone said that reading romance novels was like starting out on vacation and always ending up in San Diego. Nora Roberts answered by saying, "But there are so many different ways to get to San Diego!" Even though I know pretty much where the ending is going, it's always interesting to see how the couple gets there.<BR/><BR/>Riccarla BOBROMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155220258938242282006-08-10T10:30:00.000-04:002006-08-10T10:30:00.000-04:00Crystal, you are very kind. Thank you.Crystal, you are very kind. Thank you.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155133578168901812006-08-09T10:26:00.000-04:002006-08-09T10:26:00.000-04:00Brenda, This was a fabulous post! I'm sending all ...Brenda, This was a fabulous post! I'm sending all of my friends and family to this post because you "'splained it, Lucy" so well. And you can't tell me that everyone doesn't appreciate a good romance. Who doesn't long for love? Congrats on your book, and love your other ones. <BR/>Signed, A True Romance LoverCrystal Lainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09284296811544392777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155037841588704882006-08-08T07:50:00.000-04:002006-08-08T07:50:00.000-04:00...I figured admitting I'd been rejected by a roma...<I>...I figured admitting I'd been rejected by a romance publisher would be the ultimate humiliation!!</I><BR/><BR/>Trudy, as someone who has worked very hard but is still batting only .500 against Steeple Hill (yeah, in baseball that'd be <I>good</I>), I chuckled over that remark.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, everyone, for posting all these insightful comments. I really enjoyed reading them this morning.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155027560573682942006-08-08T04:59:00.000-04:002006-08-08T04:59:00.000-04:00What you say is certainly true, Brenda, and I can ...What you say is certainly true, Brenda, and I can attest to having learned it the hard way. As a writer who has had some (limited) success with so-called "literary" fiction, I once decided (when in need of cash, of course) that I would write a romance novel because "how hard can it be?"<BR/><BR/>After two rejections from Steeple Hill I got a much better grasp on the fact that yes, romance editors do have standards and yes, romance writers do work hard at their craft, just like the rest of us. I have a lot more respect for romance writers now! (Especially anyone who's been accepted by Steeple Hill).<BR/><BR/>I will say though, that there is enough snobbery about genre fiction in general in the all-female writers' community I work among (directed towards me for writing fantasy, and to others for writing mysteries) that I figured admitting I'd been rejected by a romance publisher would be the ultimate humiliation!!TrudyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02970975632112930343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155026158728659302006-08-08T04:35:00.000-04:002006-08-08T04:35:00.000-04:00I wonder if this is a version of mocking whatever ...I wonder if this is a version of mocking whatever is popular. I think tons and tons of people go into high school learning to disparage anything that is popular or somehow for the masses, be it music or hairstyle or whatever. And then if something they like becomes popular, they have to insist over and over again that they liked them BEFORE they were cool. In high school this might be fairly healthy because it is part of identity formation, but a lot of people I think stick with it all their lives. They have to make fun of what others like to separate themselves out and prove themselves better than others.pacatruehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04125048243775811714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1155012224559184272006-08-08T00:43:00.000-04:002006-08-08T00:43:00.000-04:00I think that folks who believe books should stimul...I think that folks who believe books should stimulate the brain are gonna knock romances, cause the romance reader isn't looking for a mental scratch: They are looking for an emotional experience.<BR/><BR/>Romance, especially very well written ones, can satisfy on several levels (thrills, suspense, mystery, humor, chills, pathos), but it's ultimately about the special tug a reader gets seeing two people who belong together overcome everything to be together and make couple magic.<BR/><BR/>Women traditionally celebrate this a lot in life--that whole coupling up thing. It matters to men, but for women, it's a whole big thing to celebrate, have parties and showers, talk about over coffee, plan for since childhood.<BR/><BR/>I know that if a romance really worked for me, it made me weep by the end. The sense of catharsis--the RELIEF--that this wonderful couple worked everything out and got the interlopers and obstacles out of the way, it's wonderfully pleasurable.<BR/><BR/>And anyone who isn't tuned into wanting that emotional ride is not going to understand romances or particularly enjoy them.<BR/><BR/>I will add that growing up, I got flack for liking Sci-Fi more than for liking Victoria Holt. Sci-fi readers were ridiculed to a certain extent. My older sister called us booger-eaters. (To be fair, she ridiculed romances, too.)<BR/><BR/>So, I suppose I just enjoyed the less-fashionable genres. :D<BR/><BR/>MirMirtikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04668769199544406582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154979855801045012006-08-07T15:44:00.000-04:002006-08-07T15:44:00.000-04:00...if men sneer at romance (to include book review...<I>...if men sneer at romance (to include book reviewers) then so will women. They don't want to appear 'weak' or following traditional molds. </I><BR/><BR/>Kristin, I'm afraid you might be onto something, there. [Sigh.]<BR/><BR/>Barbara, thanks for stopping by and for saying nice things about my blog. And congratulations on snagging yet another RITA award. I'm afraid I know more than a few romance writers who wish you'd move on to another line of work and give <I>them</I> a chance at one of those golden statuettes!<BR/>:-)Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154977554766130692006-08-07T15:05:00.000-04:002006-08-07T15:05:00.000-04:00Barbara...I'm flattered by the compliment! I love ...Barbara...I'm flattered by the compliment!<BR/> <BR/>I love your blog, Brenda, b/c you post such intriguing debates like this. :-)K J Gillenwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023089365553324315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154976101479310632006-08-07T14:41:00.000-04:002006-08-07T14:41:00.000-04:00Such a great comment, Kristin, on the competition ...Such a great comment, Kristin, on the competition sometimes staged by women against other women. Often, that is where a lot of romance bashing comes from. <BR/><BR/>Smart blog. Smart posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154973333278406092006-08-07T13:55:00.000-04:002006-08-07T13:55:00.000-04:00And women yearn to be accepted into a male dominat...And women yearn to be accepted into a male dominated society as equals...if men sneer at romance (to include book reviewers) then so will women. They don't want to appear 'weak' or following traditional molds. Somehow finding love and the perfect man means that you are not a strong woman that lives in the 21st century. For the highly educated woman of today, they are supposed to yearn for independence and lives that don't depend on men. A traditional romance is all about falling in love (note I say 'traditional romance') and for some this is a 50s-type mentality--needing a man to be happy in life.<BR/><BR/>Plus, women always want to attack other women. There is a level of competition out there that turns my stomach sometimes. Natural childbirth vs. birth with drugs. Breastfeeding vs. bottle-feeding. Taking your husband's name when you marry vs. keeping your maiden name. It never ends. And it comes right down to sneering at women for reading Nora Roberts instead of Virginia Woolf.K J Gillenwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023089365553324315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154971081212060282006-08-07T13:18:00.000-04:002006-08-07T13:18:00.000-04:00Hey there, Chris. Long time no heckle. Yes, I sold...Hey there, Chris. Long time no heckle. Yes, I sold my third book a few weeks ago. Thanks for the congratulations.<BR/><BR/>Kristin, you bring up a couple of good points, but as mscreativity says, most of the snide comments about romance books come from <I>women</I>. As for the stats, romance novels account for well over half of all paperback fiction sold in the U.S.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154969938732499422006-08-07T12:58:00.000-04:002006-08-07T12:58:00.000-04:00Brenda, be fair. The sign said "Kick Me Gently."Di...Brenda, be fair. The sign said "Kick Me Gently."<BR/><BR/>Did I miss the announcement on MS#6's sale? Congrats!Mikesellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13522375368851193970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154969008754628372006-08-07T12:43:00.000-04:002006-08-07T12:43:00.000-04:00I agree that romance novels aren't to everybody's ...I agree that romance novels aren't to everybody's taste, but why do people who have <I>never</I> even read one, slate the genre? <BR/><BR/>Coming out of the closet and admitting to being a reader of romance, especially HMB, is hard enough at times, but to actually tell people that I also aspire to be published by them is proving to be even harder!! People sneer and snigger as if it's something <I>anybody</I> could do.<BR/><BR/>Now, I just laugh at them! <BR/><BR/>In my experiences the derogatory comments don't even come from men, but other women who believe themselves to be 'above' such reading.<BR/><BR/>While I agree with Kristin that there are (and always will be) some published romance books that are badly written, I have to say they're very hard to find in a Harlequin romance of any line.<BR/><BR/>Editors' standards at Harlequin get higher and higher. It <I>isn't</I> easy to get a book accepted for publication, and none of Harlequin's existing authors can afford to become complacent. <BR/><BR/>I will hold my head high with pride when one day I too will hopefully achieve Harlequin's high standards.Susan Rixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14886401948164523860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1154961258662193382006-08-07T10:34:00.000-04:002006-08-07T10:34:00.000-04:00I think there are 2 reasons romance gets the shaft...I think there are 2 reasons romance gets the shaft:<BR/><BR/>1) It's mainly a genre geared towards women. Men and women have very different ideas about what constitutes entertainment. Why do you think there are films designated as 'chick flicks'? Men lean more towards action adventure-type stuff, non-fiction, sci fi, thrillers, etc. (GENERALLY, not always...I like a good sci fi book myself) If men don't 'get' something, it is very easy to dismiss it as dumb or beneath interest.<BR/><BR/>2) The sheer volume of romance books sold and the demand for them means that there are more crummy romance books out there than any other genre of writing. I wish I knew the statistics, but doesn't romance have the lionshare of readership in the U.S.? I have read many poorly-written romances just because there are so many authors to choose from, so many 'types' of romance (from romantic suspense to historical romance to chick lit), that it is very easy to find a book that is not very well-written.<BR/><BR/>If there is a large appetite for something, the publishers will go overboard to sate it. Which means taking on mediocre books. It's all about supply and demand. And demand is high for romance.K J Gillenwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023089365553324315noreply@blogger.com