tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post112311276923086800..comments2024-03-04T03:40:11.172-05:00Comments on No rules. Just write.: For RWA members onlyBrenda Coulterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123527230002442102005-08-08T14:53:00.000-04:002005-08-08T14:53:00.000-04:00Hi, Candy. I thought the whole video presentation ...Hi, Candy. I thought the whole video presentation was shockingly inappropriate. If it had any "righty slant," it sure failed to impress <I>this</I> righty. But I want to point out that the RWA president has now gone on record that no RWA member was involved in assembling the montages or the accompanying music. That was done by the production company they hired, and the RWA people never saw the videos until a day before the ceremony. That the RWA leaders made some bad calls, I'm not disputing. But to suggest that they were pushing a political agenda is to ignore the facts. In this case, at least, the leadership was too unorganized to <I>have</I> an agenda. ;-)Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123331136525805972005-08-06T08:25:00.000-04:002005-08-06T08:25:00.000-04:00"Excuse me, but in the last 25 years, there were m..."Excuse me, but in the last 25 years, there were more years of Repub presidents than non-Repubs, so, well, maybe that explains why Reagan and other Repubs were shown more than Clinton. Just saying..."<BR/><BR/>The gripe wasn't that Republican presidents got more face time than Democratic ones. The gripe was that Clinton was presented only in reference to the Lewinsky scandal, whereas Reagan and both Bushes were shown in a very flattering light.<BR/><BR/>Why no Iran-Contra scandal? Enron? US Savings & Loan meltdown?<BR/><BR/>THAT's why many people think the program had a righty slant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123279561783500172005-08-05T18:06:00.000-04:002005-08-05T18:06:00.000-04:00Btw, you were quoted on Lee Goldberg's blog. Thoug...<I>Btw, you were quoted on Lee Goldberg's blog. Thought you'd want to know....</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I gathered that from my server logs. Thanks, Brenda B. Nice to see you here again.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123279460522125962005-08-05T18:04:00.000-04:002005-08-05T18:04:00.000-04:00I hear you, Monica. And I think you have good reas...I hear you, Monica. And I think you have good reason to gripe, even if the omission was unintentional. It's just that I hesitate to ascribe malicious motives to people who <I>may</I> be guilty of simple thoughtlessness. (Not that "Oops! We didn't mean it" would erase the offense. It <I>wouldn't.</I>)<BR/><BR/>I hope you or someone else who is in possession of the facts of Ms. Stephens's contribution will write a letter to the RWR and set the record straight.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123272403050064762005-08-05T16:06:00.000-04:002005-08-05T16:06:00.000-04:00Brenda, I must respectfully note that if they igno...Brenda, I must respectfully note that if they ignored any another founder such as Rita Gallengher, with so many people involved, there would have to be <I>some</I> reason, such as they considered her too inconsequential to bother with. Then the question would have to be why did they? <BR/><BR/>The we-didn't-mean-it-like-that-so-kwitcher-griping excuse is extremely wearisome. I could do all sorts of hurtful, biased and thoughtless things with such an excuse.Monica Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18372996977000788863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123268694844950782005-08-05T15:04:00.000-04:002005-08-05T15:04:00.000-04:00Hey Brenda, I'm right there with you. Maybe it's b...Hey Brenda, I'm right there with you. Maybe it's because we share names or something incredibly vital like that.<BR/><BR/>Btw, you were quoted on Lee Goldberg's blog. Thought you'd want to know:<BR/>http://leegoldberg.typepad.com/a_writers_life/2005/08/romance_meltdow.html#comment-8376814Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083327647412477394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123265022759107452005-08-05T14:03:00.000-04:002005-08-05T14:03:00.000-04:00Do we know this? The documentary crew from Canada ...<I>Do we know this? The documentary crew from Canada were present, weren't they?</I><BR/><BR/>Jonquil, I'm afraid I don't know anything about that. I did see them at the Harlequin party on Friday night and at one of the workshops, but if they filmed any part of the awards ceremony on Saturday night I didn't see them there. All I meant was that RWA does not record the awards ceremonies.<BR/><BR/>Which is almost a shame. ;-) They could have made some real money selling DVDs of <I>this</I> one!Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123263373081931262005-08-05T13:36:00.000-04:002005-08-05T13:36:00.000-04:00> It wasn't filmed or taped. Do we know this? Th...> It wasn't filmed or taped. <BR/><BR/>Do we know this? The documentary crew from Canada were present, weren't they?<BR/><BR/>If this were the only RWA kerfuffle this summer, I think it would die down quickly. Given that it follows, in close succession, the graphical standards brouhaha and the definition of romance skirmish (take THAT, Roget), I feel quite justified in saying "What the Sam Hill is going on here?" We have a clearcut pattern of somebody on the Board charging ahead into politically-charged waters without adequate consultation.Jonquilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00394073543168209042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123263098523024852005-08-05T13:31:00.000-04:002005-08-05T13:31:00.000-04:00Actually, Monica, I have heard fussing about Vivia...Actually, Monica, I <I>have</I> heard fussing about Vivian Stephens being left out. But unless I see evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume there was no <I>intention</I> to ignore her contributions to the organization. Still, what a grevious oversight! Thanks for telling us about her.<BR/><BR/>I wish the ceremony had focused more on <I>all</I> of the founders. I'd love to see someone prepare a history of each of them, detailing how they shared their talents and their hearts to launch RWA. Wouldn't that be a great addition to the RWA website?<BR/><BR/>It's good to see you here again, Monica. Thanks for commenting.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123260617733145132005-08-05T12:50:00.000-04:002005-08-05T12:50:00.000-04:00I think by far the worse thing they did, (and you'...I think by far the worse thing they did, (and you'll hear no one fussing about it the usual circles) is that they didn't metion Vivian Stephens, who was a RWA founder 25 years ago and a Harlequin editor fought to buy the first romance allowed with black characters within the last 25 years. She is on a par with Rosa Parks. <BR/><BR/>She was mentioned nowhere in the ceremonies. True, she's not aligned with RWA now, but there is a reason and she isn't unprofessional about it nor does she mention it. <BR/><BR/>I was the first Prez and founder of an RWA chapter that I no longer associate with--also politely and without rancor--because I couldn't not deal with the usual racism we always have to in such close range, but instead of mentioning or dealing with it, I did the proper thing and silently left. I talked to Tracy Peterson about it, a wonderful inspy writer, and she took over. <BR/><BR/>But to disregard Vivian the way she did, whose contributions are on the same level as either Rita is unforgivable in the eyes of many black romance authors and clearly illustrates why she is no longer associated with the RWA.Monica Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18372996977000788863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123192824889679732005-08-04T18:00:00.000-04:002005-08-04T18:00:00.000-04:00I know what you were saying, was just trying to...I know what you were saying, was just trying to ruffle<BR/>your feathers, with being called a boy and not a manAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123191802358847422005-08-04T17:43:00.000-04:002005-08-04T17:43:00.000-04:00Oh. No, I'm the 'me' in phrase '"the boy" and me'....Oh. <BR/>No, I'm the 'me' in phrase '"the boy" and me'.<BR/><BR/>--Chris (dFm)Mikesellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13522375368851193970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123191444831274382005-08-04T17:37:00.000-04:002005-08-04T17:37:00.000-04:00I don't think it should go that far , but hay is't...I don't think it should go that far , but hay is't not up to me,<BR/>and Chris I wasn't talking about your #one, I was talking about you ;-DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123189476281459242005-08-04T17:04:00.000-04:002005-08-04T17:04:00.000-04:00The boy is Brenda's #one son (I won't let my #one ...The boy is Brenda's #one son (I won't let <I>my</I> #one read this kind of stuff).<BR/><BR/>Okay, Paul and Neal and Tristan and me and Eddie. Hmmm ... maybe we'll stage a coup and make Brenda write testosterone-driven fic for a change. ;)<BR/><BR/>--Chris (dFm)Mikesellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13522375368851193970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123186408359056932005-08-04T16:13:00.000-04:002005-08-04T16:13:00.000-04:00Hey don't leave out Neal, and Paul out of this! Ch...Hey don't leave out Neal, and Paul out of this! Chris and who's the boy? you or #one son<BR/>;-DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123178364154320172005-08-04T13:59:00.000-04:002005-08-04T13:59:00.000-04:00I read this and I'm not an RWA member. Ha ha!But, ...I read this and I'm not an RWA member. <BR/><I>Ha ha!</I><BR/><BR/>But, hey, now that I've read Nora I have an idea of what's going on.<BR/><BR/>Come back soon Eddie. Don't leave "the boy" and me as the only well-dressed gents around here.<BR/><BR/>--Chris (dFm)Mikesellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13522375368851193970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123173306730844622005-08-04T12:35:00.000-04:002005-08-04T12:35:00.000-04:00I love how Robin zeros in on the important stuff. ...I love how Robin zeros in on the <I>important</I> stuff. <BR/><BR/>The M&M's are still there, Robin. Must be a Blogger glitch. Try reloading the page.<BR/><BR/>Mir, people are saying the program was slanted to the <I>right</I>. Yes, I know that's what you meant; I'm dyslexic, too! ;-)<BR/><BR/>Eddie, welcome to my blog. Please go get some of your guy friends and come back; sometimes it gets awfully girly around here.Brenda Coulterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528691681455659296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123171885280330972005-08-04T12:11:00.000-04:002005-08-04T12:11:00.000-04:00HOORAH for Nora. I'd have bowed out, too.Look, if ...HOORAH for Nora. I'd have bowed out, too.<BR/><BR/>Look, if I had attended I would have enjoyed seeing an interesting presentation on the evolution of romance over the last three decades, and how RWA helped shape, expand, assist in the growth of the genre. I'd have enjoyed seeing glimpses of past notalbes and new subgenres and a discussion of LITERARY STUFF. <BR/><BR/>Why they tied it in to national/global news beats me. I mean, that's not what the conference was about. It's about writing & reading romance novels and women's fiction.<BR/><BR/>So, good on Nora and THPPTTT to those who planned that crap.<BR/><BR/>I was amused by the idea that the program was lefty. Excuse me, but in the last 25 years, there were more years of Repub presidents than non-Repubs, so, well, maybe that explains why Reagan and other Repubs were shown more than Clinton. Just saying...<BR/><BR/>MirAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9791523.post-1123170810473280532005-08-04T11:53:00.000-04:002005-08-04T11:53:00.000-04:00Just one question, Brenda: Where are your M&Ms??? ...Just one question, Brenda: Where are your M&Ms??? (your header is plain blue : )Robin Baynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02640632701164428942noreply@blogger.com